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31st of August, 2011

7:55 - Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America (1/10): America Is Great, Washington Is Broken, part 1

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From:flutterbychild
Date:2011-Aug-31 03:07 pm (UTC)
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What an assclown!
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From:chipuni
Date:2011-Aug-31 03:56 pm (UTC)
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I want to get his words, as he actually wrote them, out to people.

I disagree with him -- I think that national regulations for most things make SENSE. Think about a food company, having to meet different food regulations for all fifty states, with fifty sets of regulators -- instead of having a uniform code and one set of regulators.

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From:flutterbychild
Date:2011-Aug-31 03:59 pm (UTC)
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It would make it difficult to do business across state lines, that's for sure. Ugh.

Also, I really want him to stay out of women's uteri.
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From:kensterfox
Date:2011-Aug-31 06:25 pm (UTC)
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Except that each state is going to have its own set of regulations anyway, so now food companies have fifty-one sets of regulations to meet.

Disclaimer: Pretty sure I'm going to be the "token Republican" in any discussion I take part in on this topic.
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From:chipuni
Date:2011-Aug-31 06:56 pm (UTC)
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Please DO keep me honest, Kenster.

I haven't found the pages in the quotes from his book (I'm reading it on Kindle), but I'll try to keep things in order.
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From:kensterfox
Date:2011-Aug-31 07:05 pm (UTC)
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Well, as long as I'm keeping you honest:

I feel that your assertion that the thesis statement could have been written by a liberal in 2006 is correct, if too narrow. I feel that it could be written by a liberal in 2011, as well, and also by a conservative at any point in recent history. And therein lies the problem. I think that we all, or at least a fair amount of us, have this sense that the government would be run very differently if it were actually being run with the American people in mind. Instead, politicians (as a generalization, at least) do what is best for their careers and to protect their power, and the well-being of the country suffers for it. And that problem affects Democrats, Republicans, and all otherwise alike.
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From:caraig
Date:2011-Sep-1 02:13 am (UTC)
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Well, I consider myself to be pretty strongly progressive/liberal... and I am in agreement with you here. I do think that the government would be very different if it was actually run by/for the people, and that the majority of politicians do what is best for their careers and their corporate contributors. I do not have a great deal of faith in most politicians doing what is best for anyone other than themselves, really.
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From:kensterfox
Date:2011-Sep-1 11:06 am (UTC)
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You know, I have to be honest, I initially rolled my eyes when I read the sting about "corporate contributors", a knee-jerk reaction from the pro-business side of my ideology. But that really wasn't warranted - sure, contributors have an interest in keeping the politicians they've bought in office so they'll do their bidding, and politicians have an interest in doing their contributors' bidding so they'll keep them in office.

I think my favorite quote as it relates to politics is "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." I believe that most of the people who came to Washington did so with a genuine desire to serve their country and their constituents. But people get used to power, and they start to lose a bit of themselves every time they do things to protect it. It's inevitable, and no one is incorruptible. I think term limits would be the biggest way we could "fix" politics in America. Now, if we could only get politicians to limit themselves that way.
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From:caraig
Date:2011-Sep-1 01:35 pm (UTC)
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I apologize, I hadn't meant that to be a sting at all. :( But, I do agree about how power can eat away at a person's ethics over time. And I tend to think that term limits would also be a good thing.
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From:dajagr
Date:2011-Aug-31 08:46 pm (UTC)
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I will say that you are not the only person reading here who has at least somewhat of a conservative bent. However, the last time I tried to participate in a political discussion here, I was rather thoroughly (and still, to my thinking, not entirely fairly) excoriated. As a result, I generally keep my mouth shut. I read, and I think, but I do not feel particularly welcome to speak. And when I do think about what I've read, I often do so with the personal caveat, "Consider the source."
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From:kensterfox
Date:2011-Aug-31 08:49 pm (UTC)
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I know and trust Chip. Most everyone else, I don't care much about until they prove that I should. Of course, the vast majority of them don't know me, either, and I'd expect the same standard would apply.
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From:dajagr
Date:2011-Aug-31 11:48 pm (UTC)
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That's fair, and I do think that Chip himself extends more willingness to listen and discuss rationally than the situation I described.
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